Today is the Year 11,525 AG. Let me explain: my proposal for a new dating system

I dont like using BC. its very clumsy and clunky and no reason – although Christ is a great figure – to start at his birth. 

It splits history into two halves for no good, objective reason. And it makes things confusing.

Why do we count down, then count up again?

Respectfully, it’s fucking stupid. No offence to my Christian friends but we cannot now in our modern day be tyrannised into using a dating system based on a figure who though most of us respect, we don’t believe in the divinity of.

It’s way better to start history in the deep past. Since this gives us actually a very clear picture. We can see history as one smooth timeline. Rather than two retarded ones broken in half at 2000 years ago for some reason.

I propose we anchor it from whats the oldest human thing we have – that’s well established and well studied and so on. 

Gobekli Tepe seems to be it. 

Built around 11500 years ago from year 2000 . 

So we will start our history at 11,500 years ago. 

It is also at the centre of the world (roughly) geographically. So it’s all of ours. Not just one culture’s or anothers. It’s the place all of our ancestors belong to and we belong to. At least on this side of the Ice Age.

My proposal is to use a dating system based on it. We consider it to be zero and then assign everything a date based on it. 

Using AG – After Gobekli Tepe – as the indicator. 

Doing this gives very very real perspective compared to BC or even BP.

FORMULA: AFTER GOBEKLI TEPE (AG) =

AD year + 9500 

OR 

BC Year – 9500

From this perspective – seeing the great pyramids be so amazing and big etc and complex techonolgically isnt surprising at all. 

They are nearly 7000 years after Gobekli Tepe (6940 AG). That is a fuck load of time to learn things. 

Like its not even been 7000 years since then till now. And look what we have compared to the egyptians. It makes sense. Human ingenuity figuring stuff out one step at a time.

It makes sense of the human story and our history on this side of the ice age. 

We can see our ancestors slowly, step by step, little by little figuring things out. Over thousands of years until we hit the present day 11,525 years later. And it makes complete sense of how we now have Iphones and Youtube lol. We’ve had 11,525 years to get here. And we can map it properly. As opposed to thinking Ok we’ve been at this for 2000 years. Wow we did it fast. No, we’ve taken our time slowly.

It gives respect and dignity to all the forgotten human beings in the deep history. And we step out of the Christian focused, western focused lense. Into the human lense.

Also all ideas of racial supremacy and all the other stupid ideas like that dissappear. We can see progress is a collective effort. Millions and billions of human beings over eleven and a half thousand years making progress slowly step by step.

Not just the ‘British’ or the ‘White’ or the ‘Arab’ or whatever. We step out of supremacy and see the human story and the truth that it’s our collective humanity, our collective attachment and conciousness (logic – logos – minds) and human spirit that got us here.

And also opens up the idea that before the ice age theres potentially a whole other human history we dont know. Wiped out by the ice itself. Who knows. Anyway, this makes sense of our side of things.

It is my opinion in fact that we have probably done this cycle many times. It makes no fucking sense at all to me that we go from stone tools to Youtube in 11,500 years, but our ancestors – with the same brains, and bodies as us spent 290,000 years before that not figuring anything out. Just continually hunting.

lmfao come the fuck on. Come on . We can’t be that stupid. 290,000 years of nothing – and then magical linear step by step progress? Come on.

I think realistically what has happened is humanity makes linear progress. It takes us around 12,000 years or so to get to the advanced level like we have today. And maybe we arent even fully advanced yet. Maybe it’ll be another 10,000 years before we hit true advancement.

But it takes around 12,000 years before we get to our level, and then in the past big natural disasters have happened. For example the start of the Ice Age, and the big melting that happened a few thousand years later. Some people have speculated this big melting was caused by a huge meteor impact.

But we also have big super volcanoes we can track that exploded and caused near extinction events for us. Like Toba eruption which:

‘The Toba supervolcano, in indonesia, that occurred around 74,000 years ago. This eruption, one of the largest in human history, that some believe wiped out almost all of humanity, leaving around 3,000–10,000 humans left on the planet. ‘

Even if it didn’t actually kill that many people, still you can see the huge impact it would’ve had on our progress. Effectively being like a reset for us. And then we’d need to go step by step again lol. Until we built ourselves up.

That’s what I think our reality is. Now this doesn’t mean you should be scared. Or start worrying about a natural disaster. The right approach is to take the one our ancestors took: we human beings can handle anything. Even a super volcano, or a huge global flood based on Ice Age melt water, and whatever else the gods throw at us. We can handle it and rebuild.

And our children can have youtube again haha in some thousands of years. We will build the pyramids until then. You see. Be positive. In any case, if we base our dating based on 2000 years ago we miss all this rich, deep history. That’s another reason why I’m proposing this earlier one.

Someone could also base their dating on the end of the Ice Age too if someone wants to do it that way – rather than Gobekli. But I like Gobekli since it’s human. 

Also using Ice Age isnt as clear since technically we are still in the ice age i.e. we still have huge ice sheets over greenland and the arctic. And its more a gradual thingy. Gobekli is more clear. So yeah. 

Wild. We’ve been on this timeline for more than 11,000 years. 

I am currently today sitting here in the year 11,525 AG. wild.

I think its time to move on from this old dating system. There’s no reason to have it. We are not ruled by the church today. Most of us do not believe in the godhood of Christ, and moreover its so recent that it makes old things not seem as old as they should.

And it makes new things seem older than they should. 

So lets actually base it on the oldest thing we know about our ancestors made. And that way get a good perspective on things. 

Look at this:

Here are 50 of the most pivotal milestones in human history—re-dated onto our deep timeline where 0 AG = Göbekli Tepe (~9500 BC), and thereafter:

Event + std date	AG (After Göbekli)
Göbekli Tepe constructed 9500 BC	0 AG
Beginnings of agriculture 9000 BC	500 AG
Domestication of cattle (Mehrgarh) 8000 BC	1500 AG
Invention of pottery 7000 BC	2500 AG
First copper smelting 5500 BC	4000 AG
Bronze Age begins 3300 BC	6200 AG
Invention of writing (Sumer) 3200 BC	6300 AG
Unification of Egypt 3100 BC	6400 AG
Code of Ur-Nammu 2100 BC	7400 AG
Code of Hammurabi 1754 BC	7746 AG
Minoan civilization at Knossos (peak) 1600 BC	7900 AG
End of Greek Dark Ages / Homer 800 BC	8700 AG
Founding of Rome 753 BC	8747 AG
Birth of Gautama Buddha 563 BC	8937 AG
Birth of Confucius 551 BC	8949 AG
Athenian Golden Age (Pericles) 450 BC	9050 AG
Trial & death of Socrates 399 BC	9101 AG
Plato opens the Academy 387 BC	9113 AG
Aristotle founds the Lyceum 335 BC	9165 AG
Alexander the Great conquers Persia 331 BC	9169 AG
Zeno of Citium founds Stoicism 300 BC	9200 AG
Qin Shi Huang unifies China 221 BC	9279 AG
Birth of Jesus Christ 1 AD	9501 AG
Destruction of Jerusalem’s Second Temple 70 AD	9570 AG
Constantine issues the Edict of Milan 313 AD	9813 AG
Fall of the Western Roman Empire 476 AD	9976 AG
Rise of Islam (Muhammad’s first revelation) 610 AD	10110 AG
Battle of Tours halts Islamic advance in Europe 732 AD	10232 AG
Viking raid on Lindisfarne 793 AD	10293 AG
Charlemagne crowned Emperor of the Romans 800 AD	10300 AG
Norman Conquest of England 1066 AD	10566 AG
First Crusade launches 1096 AD	10596 AG
Magna Carta sealed in England 1215 AD	10715 AG
Marco Polo sets out for China 1271 AD	10771 AG
European Renaissance begins 1300 AD	10800 AG
Gutenberg prints the Bible 1450 AD	10950 AG
Columbus reaches the Americas 1492 AD	10992 AG
Martin Luther posts 95 Theses (Reformation) 1517 AD	11017 AG
Galileo’s telescope discoveries 1609 AD	11109 AG
Industrial Revolution begins 1760 AD	11260 AG
American Declaration of Independence 1776 AD	11276 AG
French Revolution erupts 1789 AD	11289 AG
Wright brothers’ first flight 1903 AD	11403 AG
World War I begins 1914 AD	11414 AG
World War II ends 1945 AD	11445 AG
First human on the Moon 1969 AD	11469 AG
Personal computer revolution (IBM PC) 1981 AD	11481 AG
ARPANET becomes the Internet 1983 AD	11483 AG
Invention of the World Wide Web 1989 AD	11489 AG
Today 2025 AD	11525 AG

From this perspective, Christ, Muhammad, Buddha and the other religious founders get properly placed as recent things. 

And also human history gets properly laid out. Not revolving around one man or one group. 

Its also very philosophical in that figures lose their godhood or prophetic ‘perfection’. Like they become human like the rest of us. And if they are mentioned in the timeline they ought be grateful, to be mentioned alongside other great human beings who did great things. 

It is the great equaliser. And brings real humbleness. Like holy fuck history is old. These things we see as so big appear to be just a blip on the timeline. That’s not to downtalk them, but to put them in the right perspective. To look like a blip on this timeline at all is a great thing. 

And it doesnt actually make any life a blip It only seems a blip cuz we dont have enough knowledge and haven’t studied each one. But each life is highly crucial. And take one away and things are different the chain looks different.  So yeah it doesnt reveal us to have less value.

But it reminds us and reveals our lack of knowledge and understanding of the past. We at best hav a basic summary of it missing most of the details. But each human life including our life today is extremely valuable and important.

And that becomes generalised too. No godkings or prophets etc over the common person. We’re all equals in value . And we would see that if we had the ability to look at things properly.  

But truthfully, history is about the story of us all. And it is very old. 

It’s time to move away from the Christian centred perspective or the Islamic or whatever else. Let’s use the human.

This gives us great perspective. This is how I will date things. I would recommend others do the same. 

Of course i could stretch this back. And i would encourage future thinkers to do so should we find anything as established and older than Gobekli Tepe.

Until then. Let’s use it. 

Zak

– 8/7/11,525